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Avec prise péritel à l'arrière donc spécialement prévu pour l'europe (voir page 6 du pdf. joint) C'est la première fois que je vois un projecteur équipé de ce genre de connectique
Bon espérons qu'ils seront plus fiables que leur prédécesseur le fameux et controversé 100
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Pour les anglophones voici la review enthousiaste de projector central sur le panasonic ptae 300 et où l'on apprend que le panasonic a résolution inférieure fait tout aussi bien que le sony hs 10
Le LCD n'est pas mort
P.S. : Lampe annoncée pour 5000 heures
Panasonic Strikes Back: The Hot PT-L300U
Evan Powell, January 16, 2003
In the last couple of months we've seen two inexpensive widescreen LCD projectors hit the market--the Sanyo PLV-Z1 and the Sony HS10. Both have been very impressive entries. But now Panasonic strikes back with a dynamo of its own, the new PT-L300U. In this review we will refer to the unit as the PT-L300U or just the L300U for short. But note that this same machine is also sold by Panasonic's Consumer division as the PT-AE300.
The PT-L300U is the latest 16:9 widescreen format projector to hit the market at street prices under $2000. And like previous Panasonic machines used for home theater, it delivers truly exceptional value for the money.
Product Overview
The L300U features three 0.7" native widescreen LCD panels in 960x540 resolution. This is the new "1/4 HD" format, so called because the native HDTV 1080i signal of 1920x1080 can be compressed exactly 50% in both the horizontal and vertical dimensions. The advantage is that it yields a particularly clean scaling of HDTV.
The L300U is rated at 800 ANSI lumens of brightness and 800:1 contrast, the combination of which delivers a sparkling image in a typical home theater setup. Lamp life in full power mode is 2000 hours, but in low power mode (the preferred way to run it), Panasonic claims you will get up to 5,000 hours.
At just 6.4 lbs, this is one of the more compact of the home theater projectors on the market. Viewed from the top it is almost square, measuring about 11" in both length and width. It stands just 3.2" high. The casework is dark gray. There is no fancy high-style design work here, just a simple unassuming little box. All the visual drama of the L300U is packed inside. It shows up on the screen.
The L300U takes 525i (480i), 625i, 525p (480p), 750p (720p), 1125i (1080i). Color systems include NTSC, NTSC 4.43, PAL, PAL-M, PAL-N, PAL60, and SECAM.
It comes with a 1.2x manual zoom and focus lens. Throw distance is relatively short. A 100" diagonal 16:9 image can be achieved from a lens-to-screen distance of 10.2 to 12 feet. Note however that the cooling system vents exhaust out the back of the unit. That means you cannot restrict rear clearance by mounting this product in a bookcase or on a rear wall shelf without risk of heat build-up. It needs at least 18" of space behind the unit to allow for adequate heat dissipation.
The connection panel is on the rear of the unit. It offers an array of connection options, including one composite jack, one S-video port, one DVI-D input, one 15-pin VGA input, and a set of three RCAs for component video. There is also a set of audio input jacks to drive the single 2-watt onboard speaker should the need arise.
There is an SD memory card slot on the L300 as well. It enables you to load pictures or presentation data that have been stored on an SD card via a digital camera or computer. The SD card is a Panasonic product. The memory card reader on the L300U will read only SD cards. It is not compatible with Compact Flash, or other competitive formats such as Sony's Memory Stick.
The L300U has several pre-programmed operating modes including Dynamic, Cinema 1, Cinema 2, Music, Sports, and Natural. In addition to these you have the ability to set your own calibrations and save them in three user memories. Picture controls include contrast, brightness, color, tint, sharpness, color temperature, and black level and white level gamma adjustment. Color temperature can be altered with separate contrast and brightness controls on red and blue. With a PC or DVI signal, there is additional independent white balance control on red, green, and blue.
The L300U's remote control is small and easy to use once you get used to it. It has back-lighting for convenient use in the dark. Range is excellent (over 40 feet), and the projector's responsiveness to it is virtually immediate. The remote lets you select three input categories: video, which toggles between composite and S-video; component, which selects the component input, and PC, which toggles between the VGA and DVI ports.
Aspect ratio control can be toggled via a button on the remote, as can the picture mode. A freeze button freezes the video image. A "Normal" button causes all settings to default to factory presets. However it is not active unless you are already in a calibration menu, so you need not worry about hitting it by accident in the middle of a movie.
Horizontal and vertical keystone adjustments are also available either through the menu or via a button on the remote. This enables you to set the projector off axis from the screen and still square up the picture. As with almost all other projectors with this feature, the additional scaling required for keystone adjustment softens the image. Thus for best video performance, the projector should be placed so that no keystone adjustment is required.
Performance
There are several striking aspects to the L300U's image and performance. First and foremost is the remarkable lack of pixelation. From a distance of 1.5x the screen width, there is no screendoor effect and no visible pixel structure. In this regard it is the best we've seen relative to its resolution. The absence of pixelation in the image matches that of the higher resolution WXGA products like the Sony HS10 and Epson TW100. We did not expect to see this.
The other key advantage of the L300U is that contrast is the highest we've seen in any LCD projector, rivaling that of the much more expensive Sanyo PLV-70 and Sony VPL-VW12HT. Blacks are rendered as true black, and shadow details open up with definition that is not seen on other LCD projectors anywhere near this price range.
Color decoding is overall extremely good. The green and blue channels are virtually perfect. Red has a slight orange bias and is just a bit weak, but the error is not enough to complain about. (It is the reviewer's job to nit-pick.)
Another important area in which the L300U excels: fan noise. This projector in low power mode is the quietest of any projector in its class. Noise is very low in both volume and pitch, making it a non-issue.
As far as actual light output is concerned, the L300U varies like all other projectors based upon calibration. The brightest configuration is Dynamic mode with light output and fan on high. We measured actual lumen output at 610 in this mode. Switching from Dynamic to Cinema 1 for better contrast and color balance dropped the lumen output to 467. From this point, dropping it into low power/low fan mode reduces lumen output by another 15% to 392. These numbers don't sound dazzling, but the fact is that due to the solid black level and good contrast you can fill up a 100" diagonal screen with a lot of sparkle.
The L300U has DVI-D input, so you can use a computer with DVI output as a DVD player for the cleanest possible DVD signal. Internal deinterlacing on the L300 is very good, but you will get a sharper image from a progressive scan DVD player or HTPC.
With regard to HDTV, this projector is not HDCD compatible. That means you can't use the DVI output on your HDTV receiver if the material being broadcast is HDCD protected. Not a big deal however. You can input HDTV through both the VGA and component ports for truly awesome results. We watched a Carol Burnett special the other day in 1080i. Carol would have been mortified to see how the L300U rendered every little wrinkle around her eyes in amazing detail. Yes, it would be nice to have HDCD compatibility, but given the price/performance ratio of the L300U and the quality of HDTV analog, we won't miss it a bit.
Competition
In the world of widescreen LCD projectors under $3,000 there are now three giants at three different price points?the Panasonic PT-L300U, the Sony HS10, and the Sanyo PLV-Z1. All three of these are significant achievements, and all three deliver more video impact for the dollar than anything we've seen in the past. Most of the email we've received on these units asks for comparisons between them. Which is the best? Well, let's try to sort it out.
PT-L300U vs. Sony HS10: At the moment, there is at least a $500 difference in street price between these two units. At first glance the Sony would appear to win on specs alone?higher resolution, higher lumen rating, HDCD compatible, etc. Is the $500+ premium you'll pay for the HS10 worth it? Honestly, we would be hesitant to say so. The L300U is a much stronger overall performer than we expected to see.
First, the L300U and the HS10 are equal in terms of pixelation/screendoor, which is to say neither of them has a problem with it. In rolling credits you can barely detect some pixel structure from a normal viewing distance if you have great vision. So the higher resolution (1365x768) panels that you'd think would give the HS10 an edge in this regard do not in fact do so.
Second, even though the HS10 is rated at 1000 ANSI lumens to the L300U's 800, after calibration and the addition of the cinema filter on the HS10, the lumen output of these two machines is basically equal. There are differences that will vary based upon how you tweak them, but for all practical purposes they produce the same amount of light. Thus there is no comparative edge in brightness either.
In terms of HDTV, the HS10's ability to take HDTV via DVI with HDCD compatibility makes it a stellar performer with a clean crisp picture that is compromised only slightly by the need to scale it to 1365x768. The L300U must take the HDTV signal via an analog input. However, it gains an edge by rendering the HD signal more precisely into its ¼ HD format. The end of the story is that HDTV resolution on both of these machines is terrific, and neither has an advantage over the other.
Meanwhile, the L300U outperforms the HS10 in several key areas. Contrast and shadow detail are visibly better on the L300U. This by itself will tip the choice for most buyers toward the L300U. In addition, those sensitive to fan noise will definitely prefer the quiet L300U over the somewhat less than quiet HS10. And the 5000-hour life on the L300U compares favorably to the 3000 hours you may get on the HS10. For frequent users, this could save some extra cash down the line.
There are other differences but they get lost in the tall weeds. The L300U has an edge in color decoding, and the Sony has an edge in brightness uniformity, although the differences in both of these areas are subtle. We are now down to irrelevancies in the overall scheme of things.
The bottom line is that the Panasonic PT-L300U, primarily due to distinct advantages in contrast, shadow detail, fan noise, and perhaps lamp life, is in our estimation the stronger performer overall of the two machines.
PT-L300U vs. the Sanyo PLV-Z1: This comparison is an entirely different smoke. Current street prices of the PLV-Z1 are several hundred dollars below the L300U. Therefore those entry level home theater enthusiasts looking for the "best cheapest" solution will be drawn to the PLV-Z1. The L300U is the better of the two machines, but the question is whether the advantages that the L300 has over the Z1 are worth the extra money to the first time buyer. Only the buyer can make that call.
Both of these products use the ¼ HD LCD panels, and both render exceptionally sharp HDTV. The L300U however produces less pixelation at any given viewing distance than does the Z1. If you are planning to go with a 100" diagonal screen or greater, and plan to sit 12 feet or closer to the screen, the differences in pixelation/screendoor will become quite apparent and should be considered a major factor in choosing between these two products. If you are going with, say an 80" diagonal screen and plan to view from a distance of 12 feet or greater, the difference in pixelation is a non-issue and you should ignore it.
The L300U has a quieter fan than the Z1, but not by much. The Z1 is relatively quiet in low power mode as well. (By the way, please note that the earlier issue we found on the Z1 with the fan periodically kicking into high when in low power mode has been identified and resolved. After an adjustment was made by Sanyo, our PLV-Z1 has been running for hours with no problem at all).
When it comes to lumen output, believe it or not the PLV-Z1 is the brightest of the three machines after calibration. Though it is rated at only 700 ANSI lumens, we measured actual lumen output in high brightness mode at 646, and in low power/cinema mode it came in at 503. That is somewhat brighter than the after-calibration readings of either the L300U or the Sony HS10, both of which have higher lumen ratings as per manufacturer's specifications. (More reason to ignore published specifications!)
In terms of contrast, the L300U has a very subtle edge over the PLV-Z1 but they are very close. Both outperform the HS10 in contrast and shadow detail.
The L300U has DVI-D input, and the PLV-Z1 does not. Due to the fact that the L300U is not HDCD compatible, the advantage of DVI is to be realized by those who use an HTPC for DVD playback. This gives you the best possible picture, and you don't have that option on the PLV-Z1.
Again, lamp life may be a consideration. In low power mode the PLV-Z1 may deliver 3000 hours, compared to the L300U's possible 5000 hours. (Actual lamp life depends on user-controlled factors such as average on time, the ambient heat in the viewing room, the ability of the projector to dissipate heat within its immediate surroundings, etc.)
So is the L300U worth several hundred more than the PLV-Z1? It really comes down to two issues--screen size vs. viewing distance and whether you want to use a computer with DVI as a DVD source. If you want to stick with a regular DVD player, and you are not sitting too close to the screen, then save the money and go for the PLV-Z1. If you want to use a computer, or you want to sit in the range of 1.5x the screen width or closer to the screen, you will be better off investing the extra money to eliminate the pixelation that you'd otherwise have with the Z1.
Conclusion
Panasonic has combined all of the vital elements needed for resounding success?excellent contrast, plenty of brightness for home theater, no pixelation, no fan noise, small, easy to install, all for a street price under the magic $2,000 barrier. Dollar for dollar it is one of the best values we've ever seen in a projector. We are happy to add this beautiful new machine to our list of highly recommended products. Click for specs, dealers, and current street prices.
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Pour les anglophones voici la review enthousiaste de projector central sur le panasonic ptae 300 et où l'on apprend que le panasonic a résolution inférieure fait tout aussi bien que le sony hs 10
Le LCD n'est pas mort
P.S. : Lampe annoncée pour 5000 heures
Panasonic Strikes Back: The Hot PT-L300U
Evan Powell, January 16, 2003
In the last couple of months we've seen two inexpensive widescreen LCD projectors hit the market--the Sanyo PLV-Z1 and the Sony HS10. Both have been very impressive entries. But now Panasonic strikes back with a dynamo of its own, the new PT-L300U. In this review we will refer to the unit as the PT-L300U or just the L300U for short. But note that this same machine is also sold by Panasonic's Consumer division as the PT-AE300.
The PT-L300U is the latest 16:9 widescreen format projector to hit the market at street prices under $2000. And like previous Panasonic machines used for home theater, it delivers truly exceptional value for the money.
Product Overview
The L300U features three 0.7" native widescreen LCD panels in 960x540 resolution. This is the new "1/4 HD" format, so called because the native HDTV 1080i signal of 1920x1080 can be compressed exactly 50% in both the horizontal and vertical dimensions. The advantage is that it yields a particularly clean scaling of HDTV.
The L300U is rated at 800 ANSI lumens of brightness and 800:1 contrast, the combination of which delivers a sparkling image in a typical home theater setup. Lamp life in full power mode is 2000 hours, but in low power mode (the preferred way to run it), Panasonic claims you will get up to 5,000 hours.
At just 6.4 lbs, this is one of the more compact of the home theater projectors on the market. Viewed from the top it is almost square, measuring about 11" in both length and width. It stands just 3.2" high. The casework is dark gray. There is no fancy high-style design work here, just a simple unassuming little box. All the visual drama of the L300U is packed inside. It shows up on the screen.
The L300U takes 525i (480i), 625i, 525p (480p), 750p (720p), 1125i (1080i). Color systems include NTSC, NTSC 4.43, PAL, PAL-M, PAL-N, PAL60, and SECAM.
It comes with a 1.2x manual zoom and focus lens. Throw distance is relatively short. A 100" diagonal 16:9 image can be achieved from a lens-to-screen distance of 10.2 to 12 feet. Note however that the cooling system vents exhaust out the back of the unit. That means you cannot restrict rear clearance by mounting this product in a bookcase or on a rear wall shelf without risk of heat build-up. It needs at least 18" of space behind the unit to allow for adequate heat dissipation.
The connection panel is on the rear of the unit. It offers an array of connection options, including one composite jack, one S-video port, one DVI-D input, one 15-pin VGA input, and a set of three RCAs for component video. There is also a set of audio input jacks to drive the single 2-watt onboard speaker should the need arise.
There is an SD memory card slot on the L300 as well. It enables you to load pictures or presentation data that have been stored on an SD card via a digital camera or computer. The SD card is a Panasonic product. The memory card reader on the L300U will read only SD cards. It is not compatible with Compact Flash, or other competitive formats such as Sony's Memory Stick.
The L300U has several pre-programmed operating modes including Dynamic, Cinema 1, Cinema 2, Music, Sports, and Natural. In addition to these you have the ability to set your own calibrations and save them in three user memories. Picture controls include contrast, brightness, color, tint, sharpness, color temperature, and black level and white level gamma adjustment. Color temperature can be altered with separate contrast and brightness controls on red and blue. With a PC or DVI signal, there is additional independent white balance control on red, green, and blue.
The L300U's remote control is small and easy to use once you get used to it. It has back-lighting for convenient use in the dark. Range is excellent (over 40 feet), and the projector's responsiveness to it is virtually immediate. The remote lets you select three input categories: video, which toggles between composite and S-video; component, which selects the component input, and PC, which toggles between the VGA and DVI ports.
Aspect ratio control can be toggled via a button on the remote, as can the picture mode. A freeze button freezes the video image. A "Normal" button causes all settings to default to factory presets. However it is not active unless you are already in a calibration menu, so you need not worry about hitting it by accident in the middle of a movie.
Horizontal and vertical keystone adjustments are also available either through the menu or via a button on the remote. This enables you to set the projector off axis from the screen and still square up the picture. As with almost all other projectors with this feature, the additional scaling required for keystone adjustment softens the image. Thus for best video performance, the projector should be placed so that no keystone adjustment is required.
Performance
There are several striking aspects to the L300U's image and performance. First and foremost is the remarkable lack of pixelation. From a distance of 1.5x the screen width, there is no screendoor effect and no visible pixel structure. In this regard it is the best we've seen relative to its resolution. The absence of pixelation in the image matches that of the higher resolution WXGA products like the Sony HS10 and Epson TW100. We did not expect to see this.
The other key advantage of the L300U is that contrast is the highest we've seen in any LCD projector, rivaling that of the much more expensive Sanyo PLV-70 and Sony VPL-VW12HT. Blacks are rendered as true black, and shadow details open up with definition that is not seen on other LCD projectors anywhere near this price range.
Color decoding is overall extremely good. The green and blue channels are virtually perfect. Red has a slight orange bias and is just a bit weak, but the error is not enough to complain about. (It is the reviewer's job to nit-pick.)
Another important area in which the L300U excels: fan noise. This projector in low power mode is the quietest of any projector in its class. Noise is very low in both volume and pitch, making it a non-issue.
As far as actual light output is concerned, the L300U varies like all other projectors based upon calibration. The brightest configuration is Dynamic mode with light output and fan on high. We measured actual lumen output at 610 in this mode. Switching from Dynamic to Cinema 1 for better contrast and color balance dropped the lumen output to 467. From this point, dropping it into low power/low fan mode reduces lumen output by another 15% to 392. These numbers don't sound dazzling, but the fact is that due to the solid black level and good contrast you can fill up a 100" diagonal screen with a lot of sparkle.
The L300U has DVI-D input, so you can use a computer with DVI output as a DVD player for the cleanest possible DVD signal. Internal deinterlacing on the L300 is very good, but you will get a sharper image from a progressive scan DVD player or HTPC.
With regard to HDTV, this projector is not HDCD compatible. That means you can't use the DVI output on your HDTV receiver if the material being broadcast is HDCD protected. Not a big deal however. You can input HDTV through both the VGA and component ports for truly awesome results. We watched a Carol Burnett special the other day in 1080i. Carol would have been mortified to see how the L300U rendered every little wrinkle around her eyes in amazing detail. Yes, it would be nice to have HDCD compatibility, but given the price/performance ratio of the L300U and the quality of HDTV analog, we won't miss it a bit.
Competition
In the world of widescreen LCD projectors under $3,000 there are now three giants at three different price points?the Panasonic PT-L300U, the Sony HS10, and the Sanyo PLV-Z1. All three of these are significant achievements, and all three deliver more video impact for the dollar than anything we've seen in the past. Most of the email we've received on these units asks for comparisons between them. Which is the best? Well, let's try to sort it out.
PT-L300U vs. Sony HS10: At the moment, there is at least a $500 difference in street price between these two units. At first glance the Sony would appear to win on specs alone?higher resolution, higher lumen rating, HDCD compatible, etc. Is the $500+ premium you'll pay for the HS10 worth it? Honestly, we would be hesitant to say so. The L300U is a much stronger overall performer than we expected to see.
First, the L300U and the HS10 are equal in terms of pixelation/screendoor, which is to say neither of them has a problem with it. In rolling credits you can barely detect some pixel structure from a normal viewing distance if you have great vision. So the higher resolution (1365x768) panels that you'd think would give the HS10 an edge in this regard do not in fact do so.
Second, even though the HS10 is rated at 1000 ANSI lumens to the L300U's 800, after calibration and the addition of the cinema filter on the HS10, the lumen output of these two machines is basically equal. There are differences that will vary based upon how you tweak them, but for all practical purposes they produce the same amount of light. Thus there is no comparative edge in brightness either.
In terms of HDTV, the HS10's ability to take HDTV via DVI with HDCD compatibility makes it a stellar performer with a clean crisp picture that is compromised only slightly by the need to scale it to 1365x768. The L300U must take the HDTV signal via an analog input. However, it gains an edge by rendering the HD signal more precisely into its ¼ HD format. The end of the story is that HDTV resolution on both of these machines is terrific, and neither has an advantage over the other.
Meanwhile, the L300U outperforms the HS10 in several key areas. Contrast and shadow detail are visibly better on the L300U. This by itself will tip the choice for most buyers toward the L300U. In addition, those sensitive to fan noise will definitely prefer the quiet L300U over the somewhat less than quiet HS10. And the 5000-hour life on the L300U compares favorably to the 3000 hours you may get on the HS10. For frequent users, this could save some extra cash down the line.
There are other differences but they get lost in the tall weeds. The L300U has an edge in color decoding, and the Sony has an edge in brightness uniformity, although the differences in both of these areas are subtle. We are now down to irrelevancies in the overall scheme of things.
The bottom line is that the Panasonic PT-L300U, primarily due to distinct advantages in contrast, shadow detail, fan noise, and perhaps lamp life, is in our estimation the stronger performer overall of the two machines.
PT-L300U vs. the Sanyo PLV-Z1: This comparison is an entirely different smoke. Current street prices of the PLV-Z1 are several hundred dollars below the L300U. Therefore those entry level home theater enthusiasts looking for the "best cheapest" solution will be drawn to the PLV-Z1. The L300U is the better of the two machines, but the question is whether the advantages that the L300 has over the Z1 are worth the extra money to the first time buyer. Only the buyer can make that call.
Both of these products use the ¼ HD LCD panels, and both render exceptionally sharp HDTV. The L300U however produces less pixelation at any given viewing distance than does the Z1. If you are planning to go with a 100" diagonal screen or greater, and plan to sit 12 feet or closer to the screen, the differences in pixelation/screendoor will become quite apparent and should be considered a major factor in choosing between these two products. If you are going with, say an 80" diagonal screen and plan to view from a distance of 12 feet or greater, the difference in pixelation is a non-issue and you should ignore it.
The L300U has a quieter fan than the Z1, but not by much. The Z1 is relatively quiet in low power mode as well. (By the way, please note that the earlier issue we found on the Z1 with the fan periodically kicking into high when in low power mode has been identified and resolved. After an adjustment was made by Sanyo, our PLV-Z1 has been running for hours with no problem at all).
When it comes to lumen output, believe it or not the PLV-Z1 is the brightest of the three machines after calibration. Though it is rated at only 700 ANSI lumens, we measured actual lumen output in high brightness mode at 646, and in low power/cinema mode it came in at 503. That is somewhat brighter than the after-calibration readings of either the L300U or the Sony HS10, both of which have higher lumen ratings as per manufacturer's specifications. (More reason to ignore published specifications!)
In terms of contrast, the L300U has a very subtle edge over the PLV-Z1 but they are very close. Both outperform the HS10 in contrast and shadow detail.
The L300U has DVI-D input, and the PLV-Z1 does not. Due to the fact that the L300U is not HDCD compatible, the advantage of DVI is to be realized by those who use an HTPC for DVD playback. This gives you the best possible picture, and you don't have that option on the PLV-Z1.
Again, lamp life may be a consideration. In low power mode the PLV-Z1 may deliver 3000 hours, compared to the L300U's possible 5000 hours. (Actual lamp life depends on user-controlled factors such as average on time, the ambient heat in the viewing room, the ability of the projector to dissipate heat within its immediate surroundings, etc.)
So is the L300U worth several hundred more than the PLV-Z1? It really comes down to two issues--screen size vs. viewing distance and whether you want to use a computer with DVI as a DVD source. If you want to stick with a regular DVD player, and you are not sitting too close to the screen, then save the money and go for the PLV-Z1. If you want to use a computer, or you want to sit in the range of 1.5x the screen width or closer to the screen, you will be better off investing the extra money to eliminate the pixelation that you'd otherwise have with the Z1.
Conclusion
Panasonic has combined all of the vital elements needed for resounding success?excellent contrast, plenty of brightness for home theater, no pixelation, no fan noise, small, easy to install, all for a street price under the magic $2,000 barrier. Dollar for dollar it is one of the best values we've ever seen in a projector. We are happy to add this beautiful new machine to our list of highly recommended products. Click for specs, dealers, and current street prices.
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Sur chaque pixel du PTAE300 il y a un dispositif qui réduit la zone grise périphérique et donc l'effet de grille.
C'est cela la grande nouveauté.
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En aparté michel, il faudrait qu'on m'explique la différence entre dvi-d et dvi hdcd (je pense qu'il parle du hdcp non ? high definition copy protection).
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Disons que comme d'habitude il y a quelques bizarreries dans le texte de projectorcentral.
Leurs articles sont toujours à lire avec un certain sens critique.
Surtout quand on se met à parler Home Cinéma qui n'est pas trop leur domaine de compétence. Mais ils s'améliorent quand même au fil des mois.
Il y a probablement une coquille et il faut lire DVI-HDCP.
Le baratin comme quoi les deux projecteurs en 1/4 HD sont meilleurs que le HS10 sur des signaux HD est ... très discutable. On doit pouvoir montrer le contraire .
Je pense que les trois projecteurs sont compatibles 1080i 720p 480p 480i 576i et 576p. A vérifier sur les fiches techniques.
Et surtout à tester car on a hélas quelque fois des surprises.
Par contre le Z1 n'a pas d'entrée DVI ce qui est un de ses grands défauts.
Mais l'entrée du Panny n'est pas HDCP ce qui le rend peu ou prou incompatible avec les futurs lecteurs de DVD. Et limite son usage aux heureux utilisateurs de PCHC.
Le Sony est DVI-HDCP. Donc compatible avec le Samsung et la cohorte de lecteurs de DVD qui vont suivre.
Si il faut voter. Je vote HS10.
Mais je n'ai vu que le Z1.
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M. Hibou a écrit: | Si il faut voter. Je vote HS10.
Mais je n'ai vu que le Z1.
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Oui mais il reste à espérer que chez sony ils ont amélioré la qualité de leurs matrices et mieux isolé l'optique de la poussière.  _________________ Le nouveau repaire des tests de videoprojecteurs : https://m.facebook.com/Projoslair/ |
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Chat échaudé ...
Eh oui il ne faut pas acheter un projecteur que sur ses spécs ...
Connaître le passé du fabricant sur des produits similaires peut aider.
Et si possible attendre les premières réactions des plus impatients d'entre nous .
Avec la difficulté supplémentaire que lorsqu'une de ces petites merveilles est rôdée elle n'est plus au catalogue.
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En fait de tous mes essais à domicile je n'ai été échaudé qu'à deux reprises (un catastrophique sanyo plc 400p qui n'avait de projecteur que le nom et comme tu le sais bien un sony 10 HT qui collectionnait les pixels défaillants et la poussière.
Pour parler des LCD, j'ai eu il y a quelques années un toshiba mt3 qui non seulement va bientôt fêter ses 4 ans mais qui doit avoir actuellement des centaines d'heures au compteur. Il tourne sans défaillir et sans aucun pixel mort et fait toujours (aux dernières nouvelles) le bonheur de son propriétaire.
Quant à mes changements répétitifs et maladifs, je me dis que j'aimerais être comme toi et me satisfaire de mon DL 500 qui voit passer les modèles et les années sereinement.  _________________ Le nouveau repaire des tests de videoprojecteurs : https://m.facebook.com/Projoslair/ |
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Cela dit en changeant souvent tu aides les autres à changer moins souvent et leur donnes des points de comparaison .
Sais tu que j'ai toujours le cousin VGA du 400P qui marche plutôt pas mal avec un PC. Son principal défaut est un gros manque d'uniformité (beaucoup plus lumineux au centre que sur les bords).
Mais pas de poussière et un seul pixel mort.
Bien sûr tous les problèmes habituels des LCD qui n'ont pas encore été tous résolus.
Et le VGA est vraiment insuffisant en résolution sur du PAL 16:9.
Il faudra que je le passe à Colorfacts un jour, juste pour rigoler.
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un petit mot pour vous dire bonjour , je vous lis avec attention .  |
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Salut reivilo76, sympa le bonjour du samedi matin.  _________________ Le nouveau repaire des tests de videoprojecteurs : https://m.facebook.com/Projoslair/ |
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Pour en revenir au ptae 300 :
Pas de 3:2 pulldown ? Je viens de lire ça sur les specs.  _________________ Le nouveau repaire des tests de videoprojecteurs : https://m.facebook.com/Projoslair/ |
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Salut !
reivilo76 a écrit: | un petit mot pour vous dire bonjour , je vous lis avec attention .  |
Moi aussi ! vous avez des lecteurs passionnés ! C'est pour vous encourager à continuer !
Merci, A bientôt !  _________________ Il est bon d'apprendre à faire la moindre chose de la manière la plus grande. (Goethe) |
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Oui le HS10 l'a à mon souvenir de l'article très complet de WSR à son sujet.
Cela dit cette absence peut être un problème mineur si l'on compte utiliser principalement un lecteur de DVD à sorties progressives.
C'est vrai que ce n'est pas facile de faire son choix quand l'on ne baigne pas dans le sujet.
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Petite info en passant sur le ptae 300 : Dispo à partir de mars 2003 chez nous en europe ( pour carlos). _________________ Le nouveau repaire des tests de videoprojecteurs : https://m.facebook.com/Projoslair/ |
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M. Hibou a écrit: | Si il faut voter. Je vote HS10.
Mais je n'ai vu que le Z1.
Michel |
Ca c'est de ta faute ce qu'y m'arrive
J'ai aussi vu le Z1--> trés bien pour le prix.
Ce vote HS10 m'a décidé à l'acheter (arrivé ce matin, mais pas encore installé). La nuit risque d'être longue
Ca fait longtemps que je cherche à voir un projo DMD/DLP (surtout pour savoir si je suis sensible aux AEC). Ca devait ce faire cette semaine, mais j'ai à nouveau dû reporter. Sur la base de test et CR, plus le posting ci-dessus je me suis décidé pour le HS10. Un des élements principaux pour mon choix est la définition (ce qui devrait me permettre d'être compatible avec notre future TV européenne/la définition est devenue un go-no-go pour moi). Plus bien évidemment le contraste et un peu moins la connectique et la luminosité.
Je compte l'utiliser en "mobile" en complément de mon TT.
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Salut Jean-Pierre,
J'attend des impressions avec grande impatience.
Et je ne dois pas être le seul.
Tu rejoins Worf et Puma dans la catégorie de ceux qui ont un TT et autre chose.
Et en plus je trouve le HS10 très intéressant.
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M. Hibou a écrit: | Salut Jean-Pierre,
J'attend des impressions avec grande impatience.
Et je ne dois pas être le seul.
Tu rejoins Worf et Puma dans la catégorie de ceux qui ont un TT et autre chose.
Et en plus je trouve le HS10 très intéressant.
Michel |
Salut Michel
Re: Sony VPL-HS10 SN 12707 acheté en suisse
Ca n'est pas encore un CR mais seulement mes premières impressions et ceci pour deux raisons. Mon DVD Pio 656A est branché dans une autre pièce, en autres pour écoute DVD-Audio et SACD et je ne l'ai pas encore transporté (le câblage est sous mon Sony 32FQ75(?) et pas facilement accessible). J'ai utilisé (oh honte ) un quasi no-name (Phonotrend Prestige je crois 2600 ou 2900) sur la sortie S-video, directement sur le HS10. Le deuxième point est l' "écran": pour l'instant juste un mur blanc dans une petite piéce qui se trouve être plus ou moins libre (j'ai ici uniquement à disposition un écran perlé dont je me sert pour des projections de films et de dias et qui n'est certainement pas adapté à ce genre de projo).
Largeur de l'image = 1,8 m à environ 3 m de distance.
On enclanche et première frayeur: presque une siréne, mais qui aprés quelques secondes devient un peu moins bruyante. Le mur est trés fortement illuminé, ce qui m'a trés surpris. Il a démarré en mode "dynamique" qui est plutôt prévu pour des présentations. Je passe en mode "standard": l'image est un peu moins lumineuse mais encore plus que suffisament pour cette grandeur d'écran. Les couleurs sont nettement plus naturelles, avec une trés légére tendance à tirer sur le vert (déjà décrit ailleurs). En mode "cinéma": couleurs plus chaudes, on a presque l'impression que l'image est moins nette, mais c'est probablement parce qu'on a une impression générale de douceur. Le bruit du ventilateur est *nettement* plus faible, mais encore trés perceptible.
Les pixels sont trés bien visible en collant le nez à l'écran, mais disparaissent totalement à environ une distance équivalente à une bonne largeur d'écran.
Mesure du bruit (Sound level meter Roline RO-1350) selon IEC651 T2, bande passante: 30Hz-12kHz. Première (ou deuxième frayeur): projo déclanché je mesure environ 36-37 dBA, alors que je croyais être à un emplacement trés tranquille. Je pense que c'est le chauffage central qui en est la cause (radiateur à environ 1 m du point de mesure). Projo enclanché: à 1 m de l'objectif direction écran: 45 dBA. En mode cinéma encore 43 dBA, mais subjectivement *nettement* moins bruyant.
Température: l'air sortant sur le devant du côté droit est relativement chaud: 36 deg C pour une temperature ambiante de 22 degC.
A ce sujet une notice supplémentaire de Sony me laisse un peu songeur: il y a maintenant un mode "haute altitude" (recommandé à partir de 1500m / j'habite à 1100 m ). Si on ne l'active pas "il pourra en résulter des effets défavorables pour le projecteur tels que la diminution de la fiabilité de certaines pièces" (Sony dixit)....
A cet égard un autre point également un peu bizare pour moi: l'objectif est recouvert d'un "capot d'objectif" en plastique transparent qui devrait rester en place (le manuel n'est pas trés clair, mais des postings aux USA semblent indiquer que ce doit être le cas pour éviter de court-circuiter la circulation d'air et pour éviter que des poussières rentrent dans le projo).
Ca n'est optiquement pas trés favorable.
Test vidéo: DVD du "ct spécial Kino daheim". c'est un extrait du DVD-Discovery de Burosch (www.burosch.de).
Tests de contraste et d'échelle de gris AMHA trés bons. Test de video avec des "X.box-Dolby-digital-Trailers" avec entre autres un rallie (je ne m'y connais en aucune manière en Xbox et n'ai plus trés bien cela en tête) et Halo 2. Puis Warcraft 3 de Blizzard/Vivendi Universal. finalement des trailers de "Egypt", "City", "Rain" et "Aurora". Je n'ai pas passé beaucoup de temps à chercher à analyser dans le détail ce que je voyais, mais l'impression d'ensemble est trés bonne. Je n'ai pas observé d'instabilités d'image, pas de scintillements, pas d'effets d'escaliers, etc. Les couleurs sont agréables. La couleur de la peau est bien rendue.
Le processeur interne semble bien fonctionner. Aprés-demain je vais intercaler mon Videon Omega One et voir si il y a des différences significatives et surtout essayer avec le Pio 656.
J'ai également brievement visionné quelques séquences de "Cabaret", "Amadeus" et "Matrix" (les scénes sombres passent étonnament bien).
Le filtre cinéma améliore la qualité des couleurs et le contraste au détriment de la luminosité qui reste plus que satisfaisante. Je ne sais pas encore ce qui me convient le mieux: avec ou sans filtre
Je n'ai (pas encore) joué avec les paramétres de réglage de l'image: contraste, lumière, couleur, teinte, netteté, optimiseur RVB, niveau de noir, mode gamma, temp. couleur, DDE (dynamic detail enhancer) avec ses trois modes: off, progressif et film (pull down 2-3), mais comme il n'était pas sur off, il y dû fonctionner.
Les paramétres de réglage du mode d'image ne sont pas extrement clairs et je vais devoir experimenter avec plusieurs formats de sources video différents.
Voila
Dans l'ensemble je suis trés satisfait de mon achat et pense que ce projo est une bonne affaire, mais au point ou on en est actuellement (les prix baissent assez sensiblement), cela pourrait ne l'être que pour quelques semaines
Peut-être un peu plus dans 2 ou 3 jours.
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